TIP806: Wise PLC w/ Kyle Grieve and Daniel Mahncke
Key Takeaways
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Wise matches local flows to avoid SWIFT fees
“Wise enables cheap and fast cross-border payments by matching local flows rather than moving money internationally through costly SWIFT networks.”
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Instant payments drive their competitive advantage
“Fast payments have become a core part of the Wise experience and customer acquisition strategy.”
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Lowering prices signals massive business strength
“Deliberately lowering your own prices can be a sign of business strength.”
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Scale economies create an unbreakable flywheel
“The flywheel that makes Wise harder to beat, the larger it grows.”
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Capital allocation passes the Buffett litmus test
“How Wise's capital allocation stacks up against Buffett's ultimate litmus test.”
Episode Description
Kyle Grieve is joined by co-host Daniel Mahncke to discuss Wise PLC, a London-listed FinTech company that enables cheap and fast cross-border payments by matching local flows rather than moving money internationally through costly SWIFT networks. IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:04:45 - The clever mechanism Wise uses to move money without actually crossing borders 00:09:14 - Why two Estonians at a London party ended up disrupting global banking 00:13:44 - How Wise earns revenue from four streams 00:21:44 - Which of Wise's three competitor industries is the most threatening and why 00:26:04 - How fast payments have become at Wise 00:42:12 - Why deliberately lowering your own prices can be a sign of business strength 01:08:12 - The flywheel that makes Wise harder to beat, the larger it grows 01:10:35 - What to make of the CEO controversy 01:23:51 - How Wise's capital allocation stacks up against Buffett's ultimate litmus test 01:30:26 - What the numbers suggest investors could earn holding Wise Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community. Learn how to join us in Omaha for the Berkshire meeting here. Kyle and Daniel use Fiscal.ai for every company they research — use their referral link to get started with a 15% discount! Read about cross-border payments 101. Read more on Wise, featured in Wall Street’s Blind Spots. Listen to a conversation with Wise’s CEO, Kristo Käärmann. Follow Kyle on X and LinkedIn. Related books mentioned in the podcast. Ad-free episodes on our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Get smarter about valuing businesses through The Intrinsic Value Newsletter. Check out our We Study Billionaires Starter Packs. Follow our official social media accounts: X | LinkedIn | Facebook. Try our tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: HardBlock Human Rights Foundation Plus500 Shopify Netsuite Vanta References to any third-party products, services, or advertisers do not constitute endorsements, and The Investor’s Podcast Network is not responsible for any claims made by them. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm